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re End of the Stick

I think that even this is a little bit too much reading into the tea
leaves.

Orion/Ares is a vehicle that has yet to be completely designed.  The
operational vehicle is not going to fly for another seven years; it
hasn’t even gone to Preliminary Design Review– that isn’t scheduled
for another year.  It’s way too early to say whether the spacecraft is
on, under, or over its weight budget; none of the main engineering is
done yet.

As an overall comment, I’d say that politics tends to be story
focussed (politics is driven by sound-bites and headlines, which need
to tell a good story).  On the other hand, real engineering is
focussed on data and engineering requirements.  There’s a real
disconnect here– engineers may design something based on good
engineering considerations, but if it’s not glittyer and cutting edge,
or doesn’t fit the story currently in vogue, it’s politically boring.
The commentary on sci.space.* is usually more at the politics level–
a good storyline mostly will out-shout data in this forum, unless the
data is attached to a good story.  I see a lot of "engineering review
by commenting on the pictures" comments.  This may be amusing, but
it’s not engineering.

On 4/26/07 11:15 PM, "Pat Flannery" <flan…@daktel.com> wrote:

> Assuming you mean "why", NASA Watch loves to sling dirt at NASA, and
> this would be a major news item for them; I can’t believe that they
> haven’t stumbled on it yet, which could mean it’s BS, or somebody named
> Young said something he wasn’t supposed to.
> Note that these quotes of his come from someone’s recollection of what
> he said, not from him himself.
> So in short, all we have on this is Dr. James Busby’s word for it.
> http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum39/HTML/000114.html
> To me, the remarks he quotes seem awfully severe on Young’s part.
> If this is all indeed the case, then we’ve got a overweight spacecraft
> design matched to a under performing booster; given NASA’s track record
> with manned programs over the past twenty years, this unfortunately
> sounds like business as usual for them.


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Re: NASA Spacecraft Make First 3-D Images of Sun (STEREO)

Anyone know where to get the 3D glasses?

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> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2007/stereo3DPressR…

> NASA Spacecraft Make First 3-D Images of Sun

> 04.23.07

> Rani Gran / Nancy Neal-Jones
> Goddard Space Flight Center, Md.
> 301-286-2483 / 0039

> DC Agle
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
> 818-393-9011

> RELEASE: 07-16

> GREENBELT, Md. – NASA’s twin Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory
> (STEREO) spacecraft have made the first three-dimensional images of
> the
> sun. The new view will greatly aid scientists’ ability to understand
> solar physics and thereby improve space weather forecasting.

> "The improvement with STEREO’s 3-D view is like going from a regular
> X-ray to a 3-D CAT scan in the medical field," said Dr. Michael
> Kaiser,
> STEREO Project Scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center,
> Greenbelt, Md.

> The STEREO spacecraft were launched October 25, 2006. On January 21
> they
> completed a series of complex maneuvers, including flying by the moon,
> to position the spacecraft in their mission orbits. The two
> observatories are now orbiting the sun, one slightly ahead of Earth
> and
> one slightly behind, separating from each other by approximately 45
> degrees per year. Just as the slight offset between a person’s eyes
> provides depth perception, the separation of spacecraft allow 3-D
> images
> of the sun.

> Violent solar weather originates in the sun’s atmosphere, or corona,
> and
> can disrupt satellites, radio communication, and power grids on Earth.
> The corona resembles wispy smoke plumes, which flow outward along the
> sun’s tangled magnetic fields. It’s difficult for scientists to tell
> which structures are in front and which are behind.

> "In the solar atmosphere, there are no clues to help us judge
> distance.
> Everything appears flat in the 2-D plane of the sky. Having a stereo
> perspective just makes it so much easier," said Dr. Russell Howard of
> the Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, the Principal Investigator
> for the SECCHI (Sun Earth Connection Coronal and Heliospheric
> Investigation) suite of telescopes on the spacecraft.

> "With STEREO’s 3-D imagery, we’ll be able to discern where matter and
> energy flows in the solar atmosphere much more precisely than with the
> 2-D views available before. This will really help us understand the
> complex physics going on," said Howard.

> STEREO’s depth perception also will help improve space weather
> forecasts. Of particular concern is a destructive type of solar
> eruption
> called a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME). CMEs are eruptions of
> electrically
> charged gas, called plasma, from the sun’s atmosphere. A CME cloud can
> contain billions of tons of plasma and move at a million miles per
> hour.

> The CME cloud is laced with magnetic fields, and CMEs directed toward
> Earth smash into our planet’s magnetic field. If the CME magnetic
> fields
> have the proper orientation, they dump energy and particles into
> Earth’s
> magnetic field, causing magnetic storms that can overload power line
> equipment and radiation storms that disrupt satellites.

> Satellite and utility operators can take precautions to minimize CME
> damage, but they need an accurate forecast of when the CME will
> arrive.
> To do this, forecasters need to know the location of the front of the
> CME cloud. STEREO will allow scientists to accurately locate the CME
> cloud front. "Knowing where the front of the CME cloud is will improve
> estimates of the arrival time from within a day or so to just a few
> hours," said Howard. "STEREO also will help forecasters estimate how
> severe the resulting magnetic storm will be."

> "In addition to the STEREO perspective of solar features, STEREO for
> the
> first time will allow imaging of the solar disturbances the entire way
> from the sun to the Earth. Presently, scientists are only able to
> model
> this region in the dark, from only one picture of solar disturbances
> leaving the sun and reaching only a fraction of the sun-Earth
> distance,
> said Dr. Madhulika Guhathakurta, STEREO Program Scientist, NASA
> Headquarters. Washington.

> STEREO’s first 3-D images are being provided by NASA’s Jet Propulsion
> Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. STEREO is the third mission in NASA’s
> Solar
> Terrestrial Probes program within NASA’s Science Mission Directorate,
> Washington. The Goddard Science and Exploration Directorate manages
> the
> mission, instruments, and science center. The Johns Hopkins University
> Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md., designed and built the
> spacecraft and is responsible for mission operations. The STEREO
> imaging
> and particle detecting instruments were designed and built by
> scientific
> institutions in the U.S., UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands,
> and
> Switzerland.

> For STEREO images, visit:
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/stereo3D_press.html

> For more information about STEREO, visit:
> http://www.nasa.gov/stereo

> For NASA TV streaming video, downlink and schedule information, visit:
> http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

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Keith Cowing – American Fascist – Nasawatch

Keith Cowing to Astronaut John Young – "Sit Down and Shut Up"

http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=286


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Re: Global Warming Skeptics = LOSERS. LIARS

Me wrote:
> Obviously, the sun is just putting out a tad more energy at the moment
> – part a perfectly normal cycle that’s been going with EVERY star

Yes, the universe is perfectly normal, nothing unusual, nothing new.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.


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Scott Horowitz – NASA ATK Whore

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3094072&page=1

http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=287

Ho. Ho. Ho.


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Earth like Planet GLIESE

Interesting pictures…………

http://www.authorSTREAM.com/presentation.aspx?pun=Noble-544-earth-lik…

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FIA gap filler procurement

I’d guess that this means the FIA optical program is still several
years from getting back on track, if indeed it ever does.  As likely a
possibility, IMO, is that the gap filler program will become the
baseline.

==========================

Ocean Recons Readied – NRO readies sea surveillance flight, optical
satellite procurement
Craig Covault/
AviationWeek.com
Sunday, April 29, 2007

[EXCERPT]

[Stuff about upcoming NOSS 3 launch deleted.]

At the same time that the NRO is readying the ocean surveillance
mission, the agency is also initiating a several hundred million-
dollar procurement for a new stopgap optical imaging system.

The new system is aimed at enabling the intelligence community to
recover from delays in the Future Imagining Architecture (FIA)
program, which has yet to launch an operational satellite.

The delays occurred because of poor Boeing performance in the optical
program that has now been given to Lockheed Martin. Boeing has
retained the imaging-radar half of the program (AW&ST Sept. 5, 2005,
p. 23).

The new spacecraft are especially needed to obtain imaging
intelligence of China, Iran and North Korea as older imaging
reconnaissance satellites expire. The competitors will likely be be
DigitalGlobe and GeoEye.

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The NASA – ATK Conspiracy – Fragging the US Public

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Re: NATIONAL HOLIDAY OF TRUTH – Ed Conrad's Birthday — NO INTELLIGENT LIFE ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE, Certainly Not on Earth

"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglo…@org.trash> wrote in message

news:4638def8.163077062@news.giganews.com

> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:26:39 -0600, in a place far, far away, Art Deco
> <e…@caballista.org> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
> way as to indicate that:

>> I guess I don’t need to point this out, Brad, but your sanity is
>> seriously in doubt.

> There is zero doubt about it.  He is very ill.  Please killfile him,
> and stop encouraging him by replying to him.  Stop feeding the troll.

You’re talking to an auker, Rand, and auk will stop for no one.

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as escape or meaningless diversion. It is not. Our experiences there
are serious play. We belittle them at our risk. Sherry Turkle

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Chinese ASAT strike was third try; had mobile element

Interesting about the "mobile" part, though not surprising. DF-21 and
DF-31 based systems are still possible candidates.

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>From AvWeek:

Chinese ASAT strike was third try; had mobile element
Apr 12, 2007
Amy Butler/Web Exclusive
 [EXCERPTS]

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James Cartwright says
the Chinese made two unsuccessful attempts at an anti-satellite
intercept before the successful test in January.

During those earlier tests, at least one of which took place last
year, the Chinese interceptor boosted into space but missed the
target. The re-entry vehicles later fell back to Earth, an
intelligence official says.

Cartwright says the test was a pivotal moment for the U.S.’s presence
in space, but he cautioned against an overreaction. "This is not in my
mind the defining moment for our relationship," Cartwright says. "This
is a good wake up call." His comments came during a speech at the
National Space Symposium here Apr. 12.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley says the launch
system used by the Chinese incorporated a mobile platform, displaying
a worrisome level of flexibility on the part of this potential
adversary. The two earlier attempts also used a mobile launch system,
the intelligence official added.

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