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Why we need a fast courier rocket service

Ordo…@aol.com (John Ordover) :

> > What fast package delivery / sub-orbital delivery offers
> > is *much* faster delivery.  Say we’re considering delivery
> > across the continental US.  Ground takes maybe a week.
> > Air takes a day or two, if you use a courier or special
> > delivery on the ground maybe within the day.  Sub-orbital
> > would take less than a day and depending on pickup and
> > dropoff or the use of special ground units, could take only  
> > a few hours.  
> Uh – Fedex routinely delivers overnight, and has same-day service
> already (on the sender’s end, you have to drop it off at the airport,
> because the flight time isn’t the problem, it’s the ground-time and
> sorting.  If you go to the airport yourself and put it in the right
> bin yourself, no problem getting it across the US the same day).

However, it does not give same day service from the US west coast to Toronto,
Canada.  HP JIT shipping offers a fast routing of repair parts for an
additional  fee.  We have thousands of times received goods the following
morning after placing the order in the late afternoon this way, but if we
order in the morning we still have to wait to the following day..  Time to
order to delivery 16 hours or more.  But even with our customers willing to
pay a upfront fee of hundreds of dollars we have not been able to get the
same day delivery  that has been requested.

For our small computer store this happens atleast six to ten times a year.
There are alot of service stores in the Toronto area.  This type of request
must be happening every day, if the faster service was available I know that
it would be used by the computer industry atleast.

> A flight from CA to NYC -already- takes only a few hours, usually
> around 5, plus or minus a little depending on weather, which way
> you’re going, etc.  Paying a higher price to cut the five hours to
> 2.5, say, or even 2, cutting the delivery time from a same-day ten
> hours to a same-day 8 hours, isn’t likely to be worth it to anyone
> often enough to make the advance in technology worth it.

But same day ten hours does not exist for most points in the US or Canada.
And the time cut is not 5 hours to 2.5 hours or 1 hour.  It is less than 30
minutes!  This means with rush handling of 1 hour at both ends I can order a
part and receive it in three hours time.  That means I can go out check a
customer’s machine, call in a parts order.  Fix another customer machine.  Do
lunch and get the first customer equipment running, giving him at least than
half a day’s use.

> If there are billions of dollars at stake because a factory is missing
> a part, it’s a simple matter to hire a high-speed private jet to get
> you what you need.  Heck, with that much money at stake, you can -buy-
> a private jet. :)

When I worked at GM in the truck plant every hour down costed GM 1.5 million
dollars.  If a rocket shipment saves even one hour over the jet you bet you
are going to use the rocket.  Also note Union rules state that if all the
workers have been in the plant for even two hours they get a full day’s pay
even if you have to shut down the plant, it is always in GM’s interest to get
the plant running as soon as possible.

> That is, in the end, the problem with the Concorde as well.  There
> simply weren’t enough people who wanted to pay between 10 and 20 times
> the fare just to cut three hours off a six hour flight.

Sorry, what was wrong with the Concorde was it was not allowed to fly
supersonic over land.  So instead of doing a six hour flight in two hours or
less it made it in four hours, the time saving was not big enought.  And you
keep leaving out the point that with rockets, that six hour flight now become
30 minutes, that is a big savings.  It means having breakfast in NYC, doing
business and lunch in London/Paris, and being back in time for dinner.   No
jet, not even the Concorde let you do that.

                         Earl Colby Pottinger

PS.  Note: Advanced rockets will even do CA to London/Paris in 30 minutes too.


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Re: Alan Erskine jailed!

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondaleak…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
message news:1MMBIU1A37815.9601736111@Gilgamesh-frog.org…

> I regret to inform you all that Alan Erskine has been arrested
for having
> sex with minors.  We are trying to take up a collection to post
bail for
> him and get him a lawyer.  He has no family or friends since he
alienated
> them all with his psychotic behavior.

> Please send your money to me.

> rl

Or, if it’s convenient, send me the money you set aside for legal
defense of deviates and perverts who have no friends or family.
I will deposit your money in a bank account, and later explain
what I do with it.

Yours in survival,

bookburn

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Re: Earth Worshippers Cause Death in Space

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"Ian St. John" wrote:

> "Eric Swanson" <swanson@nospam_on.net> wrote in message
> news:beuab2$d9d6$1@news3.infoave.net…
> > In article <4ZiQa.452903$Vi5.11703…@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> Convect…@convection.uk says…

> <snip>

> > This guy has no clue about the CFC problem, either.

> True, but it wasn’t a CFC problem. The foam used was the old formulation
> since it was a booster manufactured before the change and even if it had
> been a later model it would still have had the old CFC formulation in the
> location that the foam came from, and that is assuming you can find some
> defect in the new formulation which nobody has actually proven.

> The fact is that foam fragmentation and detachment at the peak aerodynamic
> loading was a problem from day one and nobody had any fix so it wasn’t
> fixed.

Was foam shedding a problem when they used to paint the ET white?


"So if you want these horses, I sell them to you. Did you bring some
gold with you?"
"Nope."
"Silver?"
"Just lead."
-+John Wayne, "Chisum"

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OT: Time for humor

Okay, if this website doesn’t make you laugh hysterically (and I’m
looking at YOU, RLK), then you need therapy.

http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html

-
2nd Place: "Women Were Designed For Homemaking"

  Jonathan Goode (grade 7) applied findings from many fields of science
to support his conclusion that God designed women for homemaking:
physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity
  than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry
baskets; biology shows that women were designed to carry un-born babies
in their wombs and to feed born babies milk, making
  them the natural choice for child rearing; social sciences show that
the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning
that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal
  pay; and exegetics shows that God created Eve as a companion for Adam,
not as a co-worker.

Laughter may be replaced with weeping for the future, at no cost.


Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with ‘You seem to think
that…’ is wrong.  Always. It’s a law of Usenet, like Godwin’s."  
– Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

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Virtual Apollo – a Gray's Anatomy of the Command & Service modules

I just bought a copy of "Virtual Apollo" by Scott Sullivan (Apogee
Books).
Wow, what a great book! Sullivan used a CAD package to dissect the
Apollo Command and Service modules. It’s a Gray’s Anatomy of the
Apollo C/SM spacecraft. The book is 128-pages, soft cover 10"x7". List
price is $ 19.95. There are color drawings on nearly every page. For
instance, there are several pages of diagrams showing parts and
operation of the CM docking probe. The book is available at Amazon of
around $ 14.00. The only thing this book lacks is the usual CD that
accompanies most Apogee Books. If it had a CD of the CAD drawings it
would be perfect. He is planning on a sequel – the "Virtual LM". I
can’t wait until it comes out.

The URL’s below, show example pages from the book:
(The actual diagrams in book are better than these low res examples).

http://www.univelt.com/univeltdist/other-apogee-pics/abvirapol.jpg

http://www.collectspace.com/resources/books_virtualapollo.html

http://www.countdown-creations.com/images/book_virtual_apollo_a.jpg

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/book/VASlide01.jpg

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/book/VASlide10.jpg

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/book/VASlide11.jpg

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/book/VASlide12.jpg

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/book/VASlide13.jpg

http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/book/VASlide14.jpg


Rusty Barton – Antelope, California

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http://www.geocities.com/titan_1_missile/
http://www.countdown-creations.com/images/book_virtual_apollo_b.jpg

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Zvezda's Holy Icon

Does anybody know the history of the Holy Icon (Orthodox Icon; Virgin Mary and
the Child) placed in Zvezda Service Module?
Visible at (top of the image):
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-2/html/iss002…
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-2/lores/iss00…

(STS)

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Books cheapskates can afford (was Books lunatics hate)

Bargin (cheapskate) prices for space books recently mentioned on
Sci.Space.*:

I admit, I’m a cheapskate and I have purchased most of these books at
these
prices (or less). ;-)

(Survey of prices taken July 15, 2003.)

-"Space Shuttle..first 100 Missions by Jenkins -Amazon used $ 19.98
-Half.com $ 21.75 hardcover (1996)

-"Project Orion" by Dyson -Half.com $ 9.95 hardcover, -Amazon used $
15.00

-"The Demon Haunted World" by Sagan -Amazon used $ 5.50

-"UFOs and Space Mysteries" by Oberg -Amazon used $ 10.00

-"A Man on the Moon" by Andy Chaikin; -Amazon used – $ 1.05 and up.
-Half.com $ .75 paperback.

-"Apollo: Race to the Moon" Murray & Cox; -Amazon used – $ 72.95 and
up. -Half.com $ 45.67 hardcover.

-"Carrying the Fire" by Mike Collins; -Amazon used – $ 3.76 and up
-Half.com $ 3.75 paperback, $ 5.87 hardcover.

-"First on the Moon" by Armstrong, Collins & Aldrin; -Amazon – $ 5.99
and up. -Half.com $ 2.09 hardcover.

-"Full Moon" by Michael Light; -Amazon used $ 8.00 and up. -Half.com $
5.25 hardcover.

-"Apollo: The Epic Journey to the Moon" by David Reynolds; -Amazon – $
17.99 and up. -Half.com $ 14.50 hardcover.

-"The Home Planet" by Kelley / ASE; -Amazon used – $ 3.32 and up.
-Half.com $ 3.00 hardcover (1988), $ 3.75 paperback (1991)

-"Entering Space" by Joe Allen; -Amazon used $ 1.99 and up. -Half.com
$ 1.95 hardcover, $ 1.69 paperback.

NASA Mission Reports (Apogee Books):

(Amazon.com used unless otherwise noted)

-X-15 – $ 7.95 Amazon & Half.com

-Mars – $ 5.99

-Freedom 7 – $ 8.68
-Friendship 7 – $ 3.60 Amazon & Half.com
-Sigma 7 – $ 15.37 (only available new)

-Gemini 6 – $ 5.50 Amazon & Half.com
-Gemini 7 – $ 10.05 Amazon & Half.com

-Apollo 7 – $ 1.50 Amazon & Half.com
-Apollo 8 – $ 6.44 (Half.com $ 2.25)
-Apollo 9 – $ 3.75 Amazon & Half.com
-Apollo 10 – $ 2.40 – (At Half.com)
-Apollo 11 – Volume 1 – $ 3.50 Amazon & Half.com
-Apollo 11 – Volume 2 – $ 2.35 Amazon & Half.com
-Apollo 11 – Volume 3 – $ 14.00
-Apollo 12 – $ 1.69 Amazon & Half.com
-Apollo 13 – $ 10.29 (Half.com $ 10.99)
-Apollo 14 – $ 1.65 Amazon & Half.com
-Apollo 15 – $ 6.59
-Apollo 16 – $ 9.95
-Apollo 17 – $ 12.95

-Virtual Apollo – $ 12.56 Buy.com (Amazon $ 13.97)

-Space Shuttle STS 1-5 – $ 13.95

-Rocket & Space Corp Energia – $ 9.99

For used books, Amazon does not combine shipping. It’s about $ 3.75
shipping per book (Media Mail).

The books are available at these URLs (as of July 15, 2003):

www.amazon.com

www.half.com

www.buy.com


Rusty Barton – Antelope, California

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Boeing pulls Delta IV from commercial launch market

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0307/15boeing/

Way too many rockets, too little market.

Expecting more fallout from Lockmart.  Argh.
Maybe if Ariane V blows up some more…

Nah.  If launches were free, the market’s still
too weak.  

–Damon

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Picture of Rhonda Lea Kirk

http://www.majik3d.org/gfx/gallery/troll-sketch.jpg

That’s me peeking out between her legs.

Hey Bertie, bet we turn you on!


Alan Erskine
alanersk…@optusnet.com.au

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McDonnell Douglas GRM-29A

The next issue of Aerospace Projects Review (due to go to the printer in
a day or two) has an article on the McD Global Range Mach 29 Aerospace
Plane. This was a 1980′s single stage to orbit lifting body, but with a
rather goofy engine arrangement… three SSME’s in the tail, one in the
*nose*. It took off like a Harrier in a horizontal attitude, but
straight up.

The data available on it is a bit sketchy, but what I’ve got is in here.
it’s an interesting design. A view of the whole issue is online at:

http://up-ship.com/apr/images/v5n2all.jpg


Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with ‘You seem to think
that…’ is wrong.  Always. It’s a law of Usenet, like Godwin’s."  
– Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

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