http://www.wnbc.com/news/4074490/detail.html
Insert your own lawyer joke here.

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Eivind Kjorstad wrote:
> Hop David wrote:

>>Read Elvind’s statement "Very convincing — we already spent the money
>>for developing rockets, thus it doesn’t count."

>>He wants to hang the expense of past rocket development like an
>>albatross around the neck of those who wish to develop better rockets.

> Would you please stop putting words in my mouth ? I am capable of
> explaining myself what I want thank you very much.

> I explained already why I think past money spent on developing rockets
> is relevant. But I see now that atleast you need it explained even more
> simply so here goes:

> 1) We spent tons of billions over 4 decades creating and improving
> rockets.

> 2) Doing so brougth us very modest improvements in price and performance
> of rockets.

> 3) It is being claimed that a very small sum of money spent on rockets
> now ("several hundred millions") will bring very significant
> improvements in cost and/or performance.

> Do you see why 1 and 2 is relevant when judging the plausibility of 3 ?

> Here’s a hint: The reason is *NOT* that the cost of 1 and 2 should be
> added to 3. Instead the reason has something to do with learning from
> experience.

> Sincerely,
>                 Eivind Kjørstad

And as I mentioned elsewhere, most of that billions was given to a small
number of large entities with little incentive for creating cheap access
to space.

I am cross posting since ssp has many folks knowledgeable about rocketry
and its possible future. To give ssp readers background, the
discussion’s about whether rocket development or space elevators is the
better investment.

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Hop David
http://clowder.net/hop/index.html

Here’s the Saturn V S-IC-15 stage (the last one built)
at Michoud.

"http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=1091&…"

- Ed Kyle

Rusty wrote:
> While we’re looking at Saturn hardware on Terraserver, here are the
> Houston and Huntsville Saturn V’s:

> Houston-

http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=15&X=2970&Y…

> Huntsville-

http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=16&X=5315&Y…

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> -Rusty

Great rates on iridium satellite rentals:
http://www.highspeedsat.com/iridium_satellite_phone_rental.htm

Sorry if this shows up twice; I cross posted it to several groups and it
hasn’t show up here yet on my machine:
The Science Channel has some interesting space-related programs coming up:
On Thursday, Jan.13th, "Rendezvous With Saturn’s Moon" about the
Huygen’s probe landing will be run at 8 PM EST, and repeated at 11 PM
EST; it will also be rebroadcast at 4 AM, 7 AM, 12 noon, and 3 PM on
Friday the 14th.
At 9 PM Friday the 14th, the Science Channel will broadcast live
coverage of the probe landing, and this will be repeated at midnight,
and 5 AM, 8 AM, 1 PM, and 4 PM of Saturday the 15th.
On Tuesday Jan. 18th, two space-related programs will be run
back-to-back; at 8 PM "Mars Rocks: One Year Later" will look at the past
year’s operation of the Mars rovers and their discoveries. This will be
repeated at 11 PM, and 4 AM, 7 AM, 12 noon, 3 PM on the 19th.
The one hour long rover program will be followed by "On Jupiter"; which
looks at the planet and future possibilities in its exploration,
including the ion-driven Prometheus probe. This will follow the rover
program in all of its rebroadcast timeslots.
Again, all times are EST.

Pat

January 13, 2005

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pancam/2005-01-13/2P158863274…

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pancam/2005-01-13/2P158863299…

Details in ’05.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

It seems that "sci.space.policy" is primarily established as to
know-thy-enemy and snooker-thy-humanity, as per avoiding and/or alluding
to whatever our moon is accessibly good for, and of what’s most likely
artificial about Venus is almost as bad off and every bit lethal as the
collateral damage and carnage related to all the lies and many other
perpetrated disinformation factors about Iraq, China, Russia and
countless other nations on this continuing cold-war of our global energy
dominating hit-list.

For five years and counting (actually ever since before the Magellan
mission to Venus), and this is besides all of my observationology and my
subjective though honest interpretive contributions, there’s always been
more scientific and physics proof-positive of other life making a go of
it upon Venus than of absolutely everything other than what’s situated
here upon Earth, of which we unfortunately know of perhaps 10% the life
existing upon this Earth, and seemingly we understand almost nothing
about that 10%. No one even knows the physics truth about ice traveling
through space, much less making it’s way onto a planet like Earth.

At the rate we’re going, consuming vast resources and thereby each of us
producing 20+ tonnes/year worth of eliminations per greedy soul, of
creating artificial CO2 and absolute loads of other nasty contributions
(managing to shift the albedo of Earth by -5%), it will not be long
before this known 10% worth of life populating Earth will be sucking on
dry energy wells, while the upper most 0.1% argue there’s no energy
shortages and no such thing as global warming that’s summarily roasting
and/or flooding the rest of us 99.9% have-nots (scum of the Earth) to
death.

The topic here is that our "Space Policy Sucks", and I’ll defy you to
prove otherwise.

Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The basic topic summary page
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/update-242.htm.htm

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http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/mars_object_050113.html

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Hop David
http://clowder.net/hop/index.html

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/delta2_dpimpact_050112.html

Deep Impact went into "safe-mode" shortly after launch….oh my Gawd,
that means they’re using MS Windows….the mission is doomed…

mj

…Thanks to this latest botched root canal, yours truly is too doped
up on antibiotics and *not* feeling any pain so as to require pain
killers, so 2005 was greeted by me with sobriety for the first time
since 1975. So, hoist a few for me and to yourselves, and here’s
hoping the new year brings all of us(*) good health, large profits,
and the return of the wonder our interests have given us before. With
Huygens set to land in two weeks, and the Shuttle RTF within 6 months,
and O’Keefe’s departure possibly opening up a manned Hubble servicing
mission again, things are starting to look good once again!

(*) Except skanks like LaDouchebagge. May she die a painful death,
preferably tomorrow.
                                OM

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